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Sunday, September 18, 2005

Taking a Break

For the next few days, I will be very sporadic in posting to this site. I'll leave you with this for now:

Although we had been warned by some of the greatest political thinkers of the nineteenth century, by De Tocqueville and Lord Acton, that socialism means slavery, we have steadily moved in the direction of socialism. And now that we have seen a new form of slavery arise before our eyes, we have so completely forgotten the warning that it scarcely occurs to us that the two things [socialism & slavery-tP] may be connected.

-Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen you mention Hayek before so I just had to check him out. I've only read two chapters but I have to say that he is brillant. He explains the folly of socialism for people (like me) who don't know much about politics.

I look forward to reading the rest of the book but it is taking forever! I find my mind wandering to how what he writes is applicable to today.

-Anonymous "2"

9:25 AM

Blogger The Plumber said...

Yeah, it's not a very long book but it took me about two weeks to read. I annotate heavily however so I have an excuse:)

4:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't read a book on planning because that would be stupid.


6:14 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...

The Road to Serfdom is about planning. If you want to discuss Marx/Engels, I'll take you on.

I'd love to take on Marx.

7:55 AM

Blogger Holly said...

Hi Plumber, check this link out, "A House Divided" by Pat Buchanan. - you may have already read it.

It is basically the same thing I think you try to say on the Insider comments.

Anyway, I thought you might get a kick out of it.

9:43 AM

Blogger The Plumber said...

Thanks for the link Holly. It's good to hear from you again.

Ya know, the GOP divide has existed for some time. In Kansas for instance, the GOP divide is the only reason that they have a Democrat governor. Gov. Sebalius and the Dems didn't even have to exploit the divide because the GOP did a fine job of doing themselves. The divide in Kansas has been growing for the last twenty years.

The press pits the social cons against the libertarian cons. I personally characterize the divide as being between nationalists and internationalists. As a right-leaning libertarian, I don't like Buchanan's views on a whole host of social issues, but ultimately I am a nationalist. I would have supported his candidacy in 1996 had I the chance to vote in a GOP primary. I think he'd of had a better chance against Clinton than Dole (who was too placid).

BTW, you look just like I envisioned. It's almost eerie. Do you ever try to picture what fellow bloggers look like? Maybe I'll do a picture when I figure out how.

10:46 AM

Blogger The Plumber said...

Or was Dole too flacid?

10:50 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read any good books about FDR destroying America because I can guarantee they don't exist except for in your head.

7:51 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...

Yeah, The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek and Free to Choose by Milton and Rose Freidman.

5:44 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read a fucking history book. You are truly an idiot. At least FDR attacked the correct nation.

10:48 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...

"You know you are over your target when you start catching flak."

-Col. Bo Gritz

8:43 AM

Blogger The Plumber said...

Which history book would you suggest? I might have it in my library.

8:50 AM

Blogger Holly said...

Funny... that you envisioned me looking like I do.

At the end of your last comment in the population debates over in the Insider, you mentioned countries where women have 5-15 children.

As a "Mommy Blogger" (who can't quit visiting political blogs even though I have no time!!), I have seen firsthand that there are more and more couples choosing to have 6 or more kids right here in the US today. There is one Mommy blogger who has 11 kids (!!!!), and many large family bloggers like to visit her and a few others I've seen. What I find really incredible is that these women still seem to have their wits about them! Don't know how, but they do.

Anyway, I actually have no concrete point here, except to wonder aloud - is the US population doomed to explode not only due to immigration (which I happen to agree with you on, most of the time) - but also due to the Evangelical Christian boom (read - many families are going back to having many children, because they believe that God commands it)?

Note (for others more so than you Plumber...): I am not bashing Christians, because I am one. But I'm not part of an evangelical congregation and I don't agree with James Dobson on most things. So you could say that some things about the Evangelical movement scare me....

1:42 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...


I gotta tell you that I don't know anything about the statistics regarding the native population growth with regard to an increase in natives having larger families. I can tell you that it has to be insignificant when compared to an entire culture (latino) where large families are considered a sign of machismo. Let's not forget also that the new immigrant class has a forty (40) percent higher fertility rate here than they had in the country they originally came from.

Over the last thiry years, native families have now limited themselves to 2.1 children. There are a number of reasons for this (educated females having children later in life is the biggest), but a few natives having large families simply cannot compare to these numbers.

12:38 PM

Blogger Holly said...

Yeah, I know whatcha mean. I am sure natives can't compare to Latino immigrants.

I just found it interesting that through blogging, I've noticed a trend of families who are having lot's of kids. There is also a family in Windor with 11 kids. And these people aren't even Mormon.

Maybe it's always been that way, and I've never noticed. But gosh, if there so many families out there having 6, 7, 8 - up to 11 kids, then there must be an awful lot of people choosing not to have any at all, or only having 1 - in order to offset these outrageously large families.

I still have no real point here. I just noticed this, and thought it was interesting. Probably not statistically significant in contrast to the real issue though.

10:40 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...

My wife and I choose not to have children.

7:26 AM

Blogger Holly said...

Yes, I figured that was probably so. And there is nothing wrong with that, if that is what makes you happy.

My husband and I originally felt the same way. Then around the age of 30, I did an about-face. He took a few more years to get on board with the idea and he certainly doesn't regret having them, but still had it not been for me changing my mind, I doubt we'd have kids today.

Anyway, I suppose it is a really good thing there are couples who choose not to have kids, every little bit of population control helps. Plus, think of all that snot you are avoiding!

9:59 AM

Blogger The Plumber said...


12:11 PM

Blogger mile high delphi said...

Come back. Your retirement is killing me.

I need daily postings from you. I read your blog to my two year old as his bedtime story (right after we get done watching southpark).

3:08 PM

Blogger The Plumber said...


I hear ya.

9:43 AM


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